The Fool’s Question: Who made God?

Mr.X Ignorance of Kalam Cosmological Argument

Before I being it is best that I define fool as used in the title. Fool here refers to a person who follows his/her own inclinations and desires; he/she does not care or search for the truth. Fool is a person who follows what is he/she thinks is good for himself/herself without judging if it is Objectively right or wrong.

Who Made God? Or Who Caused God?

New Age Atheist now asks a Sunday-school 8 years old child question; Who Made God? Why you may ask that this question? Or how can the Atheist come up with such a zero-brainier question? Well, I believe because they misunderstand same of Arguments for the Existence of God. And the most common is The Kalam Cosmological Argument Based on the Beginning of the Universe as one of many arguments for Existence of God.

Here is the Argument.

A: Everything that begins to exist has a cause
B: The universe began to exist
C: Therefore, the universe has a cause

From this argument, many Atheist spring out the most fatal Error, which comes, from misinterpreting the Argument.

Atheist Foolish Question; Who Cause God?

Who caused God? Who created God? Since they have reduced God of the bible to a formula, and Christian belief to a system and Worshiping God a happy-clappy fell-good floor show I believe we as Thinking Christian should be alert and start portraying God for Who He is.

How can we help our friends understand their mistake in asking, Who Caused God from Kalam Cosmological Argument for existence of God?

One: Point out that the Arguments state that: “Everything that BEGINS to exist has a cause
God of the Bible did not BEGIN to exist.

Two: Point them out to Biblical understand of God: God of the Bible by Formulation (definition to which the Atheist inquire about God) simply Exist and from Him and by Him Everything Began to Exist and He is independently from His creation. (Genesis 1:1, John 1:3, Colossian 1:16, 1 Corinthians 2:7, Jude 1:25, 2 Timothy 1:9, 1 Corinthians 2:7)

Conclusion:

Fool Question: Who Caused God?
Biblical Answer: God of the Bible did not begin to Exist, He simply Exist, Therefore needs no cause!

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7 thoughts on “The Fool’s Question: Who made God?

  1. “The Universe began to exist because of the following scientific reasons:

    1. The Second Law of Thermodynamics
    2.The Universe Is Expanding
    3.Radiation from the Big Bang
    4.Great Galaxy seeds
    5.Einsteins Theory of General Relativity”

    What you are describing is not why the universe exists but the qualities of the universe that exists. The universe did not begin to exist with the big bang, it already existed, not the way we see it but probably in the form of anti-matter or dark matter. The big bang was an explosion of matter probably caused by an imbalance of anti- matter and matter. But of course, I am not a physicist so I don’t know how such things work. All of the laws are qualities of the universe, not reasons it exists, nothing is necessary. There are abstract things that exist, but they are qualities of the universe, that we can measure, not necessary entities.

    But let’s say the laws that created the universe had no beginning, then why is there a need for God? If such abstract things that can create the universe exist, then God does not need to exist, and therefore by the logic you have presented, does not exist. If the laws could not have existed by themselves, God could not have created them because he would need a reason for existence as well.

    Who is to say that God is not just these laws? With the definition of God that you have given me, he could simply be the unintelligent, blind rules of nature. There is still no reason to assume that he is intelligent, in fact, it is more reasonable that the God is not intelligent because everything around us does not look created by an intelligent being.

    • Dear Myers,

      “What you are describing is not why the universe exists but the qualities of the universe that exists. The universe did not begin to exist with the big bang, it already existed, not the way we see it but probably in the form of anti-matter or dark matter. ”

      Thank you for bring this forth, and I know we(You and I,Dawkin and Dennett) have accepted/agree that the Universe did begin to exist in our on going debates on Craig’s Explanation of The Kalam’s Argument:(Though having a new Debate: Did the Universe create itself) Can nothing create something?

      But I will like to bring forth this “qualities of the universe that exist” into light to explain how they point to the beginning of the Universe for the sake of our readers.

      I am going to explain them in a very simple way:

      Second Law of Thermodynamic:
      The second law of thermodynamics state that energy spontaneously tends to disperse from regions of high concentration (high temperature) to regions where energy is diffuse (low temperature).

      The universe is running out of usable energy each second passing, according to leading scientist, the universe will grow colder and colder till it death, when all the usable energy is consumed.

      But we know from First Law of Thermodynamics that the total amount of energy reminds constant.

      Picture this now:
      If my car has finite(constant) amount of gas(First Law) and I am driving to McDonald’s 🙂 continually consuming the gas(Second Law) there would be a time where I will run out of gas. No more trips to McDonald’s 😦

      Thinking that my car will run forever(without running out of gas) is absurd. Magical! There must be a point where I had Full gas, for my gas to run out to zero and my car sadly stopping.(assuming No Petrol Station, give me more gas(First Law) ).

      So if the universe is eternal, then why has this energy run out already?

      The Universe is expanding:
      How do we expand from eternity? How can we can eternity + 1 = to what? can you see the absurdity of this?

      If it is true that the universe is expanding then their must be a point to which it started to expand, (Philosophical thinking)

      The point where Time, Space, and everything started. We have to know here that Vacuum is something? When I mean a point where everything started(Big Bang) there was no vacuum! So it is kind sad to here that scientist can create something from nothing(How? From a Vacuum, that is not nothing. from antimatter, no that is something)

      Before Big Bang, there was NOTHING, period.

      Einstein’s Theory of General Relativity.
      This theory predicted and the found the expanding universe, the radiation afterglow and the great galaxy seeds that were precisely tweaked to allow the universe to form into its present state.

      Robert Jastrow, founder of NASA’s Goddard Institute of Space Studies writes the following:

      “Now we see how the astronomical evidence led to a biblical view of the origin of the world. The details differ, but the essential elements in the astronomical and biblical account of Genesis are the same; the chain of event to man commenced suddenly and sharply at a definite moments in time, in a flash of light and energy”(Jastrow, God and the Astronomers, p. 14)

      Bonaventure of Bagnoregio (ca. 1217 to 15 July 1274), a great philosopher point out the following:

      “[An eternally old universe] is so against reason that I cannot believe that any philosopher, however slight his understanding, has maintained this, for such a position involves an evident contradiction.” (Saint Bonaventure, In Sent. d.1, p.1, a.1, q.2)

      Moreover, Stephen Hawking writes great deal on this issue in his books. If you do not know his work, then you are missing a great deal out of the topic.

      If you will wish me to go deeper I will love to help 🙂

      Yours,
      Prayson

  2. “God of the Bible did not begin to Exist, He simply Exist, Therefore needs no cause!”

    But you are not following through with your own logic! If God can always exist with no cause, then so can anything. What is required to just exist? The entire universe could be explained with that logic, we can just say that it created itself and always existed, in which case there is no reason for a God.

    Also, why just one God? If a God can just create itself, an infinite amount of God’s must exist not one!

    Theists often ask the same “fools” question. They ask “What caused the universe to exist?” would you be satisfied if I said it just created itself into permanent existence and has no cause. In fact I could claim that the universe is God, and that God is not intelligent, but is just a personified form of the universe.

    If you say existence of life is due to God’s fine tuning. Can I not make the same argument saying “Who fine tuned God?”.

    Also, how can you know that your God is intelligent. Anti-matter is said to exist without a cause, how can you know that God is not just anti-matter. Thoughtless unintelligent, blind creating anti-matter?

    • Dear Myers,

      I can not see how it goes against the logic(I hope they were my logic 🙂 )

      The Argument argue for All things that Begin to Exist, Like You and I, Universe, et cetera .
      They are things which did not begin to exist. Things like Numbers, Sets, Logic, and the likes. They are just there(transcendent), independent of existence of anything. They exist by the necessity of there own necessary nature.

      The Universe began to exist because of the following scientific reasons:

      1. The Second Law of Thermodynamics
      2.The Universe Is Expanding
      3.Radiation from the Big Bang
      4.Great Galaxy seeds
      5.Einsteins Theory of General Relativity

      I will explain them if you will want me too.

      In Craig’s Explanation of Cosmological Argument article I posted, I believe most of the objection that you rose here are answered.

      But please let me know if I missed something

  3. nielsensr,
    you believed so much in that book, and had not realize that , that book is only the pigment of imagination of that author.
    Re:”It has been kept secret until now”
    If it’s been kept secret, how did you come to know it and able to read it? who are you kidding?

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