Does God Exist? Debate Summary of William Lane Craig vs. Klemens Kappel

Summary of Craig’s and Kappel‘s opening speeches and their first rebuttals.

There were more than 600 people(majority of them were theist of 15-30 years) present at the debate. Those who came late could not get in. Yesterday’s debate was at Indre Mission, Rømersgade 17, 1362 Copenhagen K from 19:00 – 22:00.

I would describe Kappel as a friendly atheist who is definitely not a new atheist. He did not offer any ad hominen or ridicules. He was honest and had a typical Danish humor.

Craig opened the debate by offering Leibnizian cosmological argument, Teleological argument, Kalam cosmological argument and the resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth.

Kappel opened by defining God, atheism, and atheist. Atheism, Kappel said, is the view that God does not exit. An atheist is a person who believes that God does not exit. (Sorry I was not quick to write his definition of God: the debate will be available in YouTube for free soon)

Kappel admitted that it is not easy to come up with evidence to prove that God doesn’t exist. People don’t believe God exist because of the same reason they don’t believe Thor (Danish god) exist. The reason some believe in God is because they are born in environment that believes in God.(Comment: Genetic Fallacy)

Kappel’s reasons for not believing in God is that we ought to treat God Hypothesis as an alternative hypothesis to much of what we take for ourselves to know from science and common sense about the would.

We are entitled, said Kappel, to ignore such alternative hypotheses as the God Hypothesis and the purported evidence that support it. (Comment: He did not give reasons why)

Kappel said “you cannot prove that God exist or God doesn’t exit”. We can just treat “God Hypothesis” as “Thor Hypothesis” because the supporting evidence is weak. He offered a Magical Mythological star that doesn’t exist, The Magical explanatory star and ontological Necessary star that leave no physical trace, not subject to physical laws of nature and no evidence as illustrations.

We should not take them[the Hypotheses] seriously because the standard and methods of science determine what exists in the world and what doesn’t. We should give special priority to empirical observation.

Craig’s rebuttal: Kappel did not give justification for holding his position. Craig pointed out the genetic fallacy and show that giving the “star” attributes of God just doesn’t work. Craig added the Moral argument.

Kappel’s rebuttal: “What is the aim of this debated” wondered Kappel, since the Danish’s norm is that religious beliefs are private. “Why is it important to prove God?” He continued to wonder. “It is not important to their[Danish] lives”.

Kappel continued, “We know God does not exit”. We don’t have to prove that God doesn’t exist. He then admitted. “ I have not presented any argument that God does not exit”. Kappel said “ [Craig’s arguments] are fine arguments but all the premises are controversial. He said some think moral values are objective, but some think they are not. Even though things in the universe has explanation of their existence, it’s still in dispute whether the universe itself has an explanation (Comment: Taxicab fallacy)

It was interesting debate, though I hoped Kappel would have dealt with Craig’s argument. I will let you know when the debate is available on YouTube.

[Update: Its now available Copenhagen’s Debate ]

My best friend Pierce Peter has also reviewed the debate in his blog: FactorySense

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5 thoughts on “Does God Exist? Debate Summary of William Lane Craig vs. Klemens Kappel

  1. This comparison between God and mythology completely ignores the history of classical theology, that also rejected mythology! It shows that Kappel has no idea about what God is even in a basic theological level.

    • Thank you Leonardo. Craig pointed that out to in the debate 🙂 I was very disappointed. I miss classical atheists who knew atleast what they rejected before rejecting it.

  2. The arguments Atheists give …that God does not exist seem relentless in their ramblings and you can’t argue with that kind of thinking …at least not unless you study theology and even then the Atheists/Agnostics quote scripture after scripture mostly out of context to claim that ‘our’ God is a vindictive and judgemental God ‘ even if there was a chance that he existed. It’s a bit much for me to understand !!

    • Hej Diane,

      Thank you for the comment. My heart usually cry with the atheist because I was one of them. I rejected God in my teenage-hood for the same reasons, namely God is super holy and I am radically depraved. If He existed, I was doomed, I thought. God used my wife, Lea, to bring me back. I stopped studying aviation, and took philosophy and theology.

      As reformed, I do understand, Diane, that no one has an ability to come to Christ Jesus. Jesus said “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day”.(John 6:44 ESV cf 6:65) To atheists and agnostics the Gospel is foolish(1 Cor 1:18,23) as it was to us when we were yet in sin.

      We are to cry with atheists, walk in great wisdom with them, showing them Christ both with what we say but most, Diane, is the way we walk the talk. Paul said we are to correct our “opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth”(2 Tim. 2:25)

      If you would like, I would direct you to a simple book called Tactics: A Game Plan for Discussing Your Christian Convictions by Greg Koukl. It is simple and very helpful.

      Grace, mercy and love of Christ Jesus be upon you Diane.

      In Christ,
      Prayson

      • I feel also very sad for the Atheists of the world…A few months ago I met one through blogging and I tried to answer or respond to reasons he said for not believing..he became very agitated…I was calm in my responses to him..but it became evident after a while that he only wanted to ‘vent his anger towards God and those who believed’..and I did pray for him as I finally ended the conversing with him. It troubled my spirit greatly and I felt it was better to do what I did.

        I realize that God loves the Atheists of the world just as much as He loves me!…Diane

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